.hack//G.U. SPECULATION THREAD AND THEORIES

Bryce_P · Post by **Bryce_P** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:50 am

but he gets another bracelette...aura gives it to him...at least i think its canon. because in the 28th? episode of SIGN, Kite, Orca, and Balmung are out fighting data bugs with it...and that takes place about 4 months after quarantine.

biththeblacknight · Post by **biththeblacknight** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:12 am

kite doesnt show up in the real series does he? i have the box set and havent seen that. i know theyre all together in //gift but thats not really part of any story. and as for the new bracelet thats just so you can continue playing the game without the worry of data bugs killing you every time you encounter them.

CRtwenty · Post by **CRtwenty** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:38 am

biththeblacknight wrote:kite doesnt show up in the real series does he? i have the box set and havent seen that. i know theyre all together in //gift but thats not really part of any story. and as for the new bracelet thats just so you can continue playing the game without the worry of data bugs killing you every time you encounter them.

Kite appears in episode 28, which is canon.

pekerman · Post by **pekerman** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:47 am

KaenKasharion wrote:
epitaph_wavemaster wrote:That's what it seems like. Why else would Ovan care about it. If he's the Rebirth... What will he bring about being "reborn"?
Aura. My beleif is that Aura will be reborn(once again) after Skeith data drains all the phases and the next big thing happens.

Good point. Makes sense, Aura could be THAT SOMETHING about Ovan is trying/avoiding to "rebirth"...

Note: trying or avoiding, 1 of those 2 must apply, depending if Ovan is the good guy or the bad one.

CronicalKaos · Post by **CronicalKaos** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:41 pm

I think a good question is Yata really a good guy. Maybe Ovan is doing good but not of Yata's or CCorps approval cause then they won't get to control the New Ultimate AI if Ovan got his way.

azure_flames · Post by **azure_flames** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 6:11 pm

I'm not quite sure there is really a good or evil side to begin with. If we go with the idea that what is best for "The World" is good, then the question of who is what can be seen by looking at their actions. What "The World" wants and what CC wants are two completely different things; we all learned that in the first four games. This leads us to Ovan, who we have no clue what he really wants. But, whatever it is, is it good for "The World", or not? As you can see, even by using the terms "good" and "evil", all we have are really different perceptions and beliefs. Instead of wondering who is good and who is not, or what actions made by a certain person were good or not, we should be more concerned about finding the reasoning behind those actions. Trying to find out the perceptions and beliefs of said person. This would lead us to actually being able to come up with a plausible theory that applied to the universe in which we are attempting to understand. And on one final note...

.HACK IS NOT KINGDOM HEARTS WHERE EVERYTHING IS CLEARLY DEFINED AS BEING GOOD OR EVIL. THERE IS NO ENEMY THAT IS ACTUALLY "BAD". LEARN THAT THERE IS A GRAY AREA AND THAT WE ALL EXIST IN SAID GREY AREA!

Thank you. ^^

Wan · Post by **Wan** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:12 pm

azure_flames wrote:I'm not quite sure there is really a good or evil side to begin with. If we go with the idea that what is best for "The World" is good, then the question of who is what can be seen by looking at their actions. What "The World" wants and what CC wants are two completely different things; we all learned that in the first four games. This leads us to Ovan, who we have no clue what he really wants. But, whatever it is, is it good for "The World", or not? As you can see, even by using the terms "good" and "evil", all we have are really different perceptions and beliefs. Instead of wondering who is good and who is not, or what actions made by a certain person were good or not, we should be more concerned about finding the reasoning behind those actions. Trying to find out the perceptions and beliefs of said person. This would lead us to actually being able to come up with a plausible theory that applied to the universe in which we are attempting to understand. And on one final note...

.HACK IS NOT KINGDOM HEARTS WHERE EVERYTHING IS CLEARLY DEFINED AS BEING GOOD OR EVIL. THERE IS NO ENEMY THAT IS ACTUALLY "BAD". LEARN THAT THERE IS A GRAY AREA AND THAT WE ALL EXIST IN SAID GREY AREA!

Thank you. ^^

I suppose on that note attacking players and sending them into a coma isnt "bad". Never the less, its a game why are programs being made to go into a state of confusion if its just a "game".

Was it wrong to send a player into a state where they are a vegatable?

In some situations there is no right or wrong. But the question is what do you do in those.

But heres something for you "Is it better for you to do good, or bad?"

People say theres a grey area however that same area for people that have merely not chosen a side. But in the aspect they have chosen a side, either that side is not with the opposing or becomes entirely "another side".

Harald made a cyber daughter for Emma. Which he couldve moved on. But he placed all his emphasis and love on her. The problem with when she died in placed him in a mental state. He couldve moved on. Or at least attempted. But thus he did not.

Dragoon2044 · Post by **Dragoon2044** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:25 pm

I suppose on that note attacking players and sending them into a coma isnt "bad". Never the less, its a game why are programs being made to go into a state of confusion if its just a "game".

that wasn't nessessarilly intentional, rather it was more of a side effect. Vengeance or revenge isn't evil, its just an extreme viligance.

Luckydan · Post by **Luckydan** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:42 pm

azure_flames wrote:
.HACK IS NOT KINGDOM HEARTS WHERE EVERYTHING IS CLEARLY DEFINED AS BEING GOOD OR EVIL. THERE IS NO ENEMY THAT IS ACTUALLY "BAD". LEARN THAT THERE IS A GRAY AREA AND THAT WE ALL EXIST IN SAID GREY AREA!

If your referring to my post, Alexander Luthor and Lex Luthor are the same people but from different universe like per say Chrono Cross ^^; the real and the alternate worlds. Lex Luthor was just plain evil and decieving, and easily foiled however Alexander Luthor is not, he is more of a Grey character similar in vein of Ovan. No one but one character which Alexander Luthor killed because he knew Alexander was posing as Lex in the current world and as such would disrupt his plans to re-create the perfect Earth but you have to really read the comics to understand what is going on and the point I'm trying to get across.

Wan · Post by **Wan** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:09 pm

Dragoon2044 wrote:
I suppose on that note attacking players and sending them into a coma isnt "bad". Never the less, its a game why are programs being made to go into a state of confusion if its just a "game".
that wasn't nessessarilly intentional, rather it was more of a side effect. Vengeance or revenge isn't evil, its just an extreme viligance.

no vengeance or revenge may not be evil. If someone picks a fight with you, you better fight back. But that isnt vengeance. Thats self defence. So then what is the difference between self defence and vengeance/revenge?

But if you do take vengeance that person will only get what you did to him/her. Nothing more. Besides id rather let someone else do it. Wont give me a bad conscience unless it was something i couldve changed.

Sure if i had a friend that went into a coma because of a certain player i would like to know why. Merely killing him wouldnt solve anything. In fact it creates a loop hole. A spiral if you will.

Dragoon2044 · Post by **Dragoon2044** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:56 pm

self defense is innocence thats comes under fire from misguided aggression. There is a gray area between yes and no. As humans we are forever bound in the gray area. morganna was no while aura was yes and humans were caught in the middle. in order for aura to exist in the gray area she and her mother had to die be reborn into the gray area. i'm getting off track here but there is no good or evil in dot hack. simply cause and effect consequences of an ongoing struggle.

Wan · Post by **Wan** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:41 pm

whatever works im too tired XD

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:53 am

Good and evil are simply points of view, while I may do something that I think is right, someone else may believe what I am doing is wrong. Even if nobody thinks that what I do is wrong at the time, people may believe that it was wrong in the future.

As such, the AIDA most probably do not realise that their infection of humans is regarded as wrong. Likewise, Tri-Edge may not realise that Data-Draining players is wrong. Being an AI, Tri-Edge probably doesn't realise that the players even have a real body, let alone realise that it would be infected in such a way.

In GU, the three forms of AI seem to be set against one another. The Avatars are used by the Epitaph-PCs to defeat the AIDA and Azure Knights. The Azure Knights attack both the Epitaph-PCs and the AIDA. AIDA will attack whatever gets in their way.

However, it is the players that complicate things, none of the players are fully justified in their actions, as far as we know. Not one of them appears to be completely good and not one of them can do anything that every player we encounter would consider right.

Atoli is the closest to being 'good' simply for her pure state of mind, but her naivety leads her to be used by others, such as Haseo and Sakaki.

1337chef · Post by **1337chef** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:05 am

Being that she is the mirage of deciet, I would recomend amending that to seems to be the closest. Anyway, the "What is good and evil" can go on the off-tpoic or something. This is for speculation on G.U.

Anyway, I thought the Azure Knights were AIDAs. I wasn't aware that they attacked AIDAs. Maybe they are some-sort of anti-AIDA program gone hay-wire. Also, the Azure Knights attack players in general, not just epitaph PCs.

Wan · Post by **Wan** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:22 am

maybe they have their own agenda then joined with T-E

AuraTwilight · Post by **AuraTwilight** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:01 pm

maybe they have their own agenda then joined with T-E

Who? The Knights? It looks more they were created as a set. But seriously, Ignus, you really need to research your theories before randomly spitting them out.

Anyway, I thought the Azure Knights were AIDAs. I wasn't aware that they attacked AIDAs. Maybe they are some-sort of anti-AIDA program gone hay-wire. Also, the Azure Knights attack players in general, not just epitaph PCs.

They don't exude Black Mass and don't infect players. Thus, not AIDA. As for the factor of being an Anti-AIDA program, I can safely so no. Again, only Harald has the skills to make anything even remotely AI. Perhaps the "True Enemy Beyond our Imaginations" modified the Descendants of Fianna's characters.

Wan · Post by **Wan** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:36 pm

considering i havent seen any roots episodes and almost any place where i do look up information it ends up wrong. What do you purpose?

Even dothackers.net doesnt even have episode summaries just pictures. And I could go look over in roots but having something where its cleary seen like on an episode summary would clear alot of this out dont you think?

Umbra · Post by **Umbra** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:28 pm

1337chef wrote:Being that she is the mirage of deciet, I would recomend amending that to seems to be the closest. Anyway, the "What is good and evil" can go on the off-tpoic or something. This is for speculation on G.U.

Anyway, I thought the Azure Knights were AIDAs. I wasn't aware that they attacked AIDAs. Maybe they are some-sort of anti-AIDA program gone hay-wire. Also, the Azure Knights attack players in general, not just epitaph PCs.

Until there is any action taken by Atoli that would be considered 'evil', we can safely say she's the most noble of all the characters, regardless of her title.

The Azure Knights clearly aren't AIDA, they don't exude that black substance synonymous with AIDA and, Tri-Edge at the very least, can use Data-Drain. Not to mention the fact that they've been seen attacking AIDA.

I fully understand that the Azure Knights attack players besides the Epitaph-PCs, what I'm saying is only the Epitaph-PCs have the power to take them on and, therefore, they form part of this triangle.

Ignus wrote:considering i havent seen any roots episodes and almost any place where i do look up information it ends up wrong. What do you purpose?

Even dothackers.net doesnt even have episode summaries just pictures. And I could go look over in roots but having something where its cleary seen like on an episode summary would clear alot of this out dont you think?

Before you get into an argument, I was capable of piecing together info from Roots episodes for several weeks before being able to see it. All you have to do is look at screenshots, see what people discuss and ask questions.

Alternatively, you could always begin watching .hack//Roots...not that I'm suggesting you get hold of it illegally... ¬_¬

Bryce_P · Post by **Bryce_P** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:28 pm

in roots, it was proven that at least tri-edge attacks other characters. thats why he was the legendary PKer with the power to make a character nevr come back.. there were the rumors on the BBS...

.Scythe · Post by **.Scythe** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:15 pm

well i was watchin the .hack cutscenes (quarintine) and i noticed a couple things.

Spoilers for the first .hack games.

1: T-E's bracelet may bbe broken because of blackrose stricking it.

2:as it breaks, you can see the outline of Shugos bracelet(LotT)

3:when you ressurect Mia, you can see Kites bracelet,even though it should be broken