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Canon and non canon

Postby JinnoftheDesert » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:28 am

Ok I dident see a topic for this so is thare one and if not ide like to know what in the manga and anima of .hack is canon and non canon. I want to buy all the canon but the non canon I could care less about.

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Re: Canon and non canon

Postby Xu Yuan » Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:39 am

To my knowledge it goes like this...

.hack//Epitaph of Twilight - Canon
.hack//AI Buster - Canon
.hack//SIGN - Canon
.hack//ZERO - Canon (Albeit incomplete, apparently LINK fills in the blanks)
.hack//IMOQ- Canon
.hack//Another Birth - Canon (A retelling of the games through BlackRose's eyes, a few translation errors here and there, but nothing serious)
.hack//XXXX - Non-Canon (A retelling of the games with added garnish and an actual character for a few foes. Though recent events may make part of this canon in some strange way... it's difficult to say.)
.hack//AI Buster 2 - Canon
.hack//Legend of Twilight's Bracelet Manga - Canon
.hack//Legend of Twilight's Bracelet Anime - Non-Canon


End of First Generation.

.hack//Terminal Disk (Also called "End of The World") - Canon, fills in the gaps between the first generation and second generation, includes a bit of background on a few characters from the first and second generation.

.hack//Roots - Canon
.hack//CELL - Canon (A glimpse of the world through Midori's eyes from Roots)
.hack//Alcor - Canon (Gives a bit of background on some main characters and minor characters in G.U.)
.hack//G.U. - Canon
.hack//G.U + - Non-Canon (A retelling of the game's events with wildly different outcomes.
.hack//G.U. Trilogy - Non-Canon (A retelling of the game's events shoved into two hours or so with fantastic CG art, but with a highly condensed story. Still an enjoyable watch.

That's all of the Second Generation to my knowledge.

Third Generation

.hack//LINK - Canon (There's some oddities from what I've seen... but the core still seems to be in canon.
.hack//LINK Twilight Knights - Non-Canon (A retelling of the game's events before... the game ever came out even in Japan, hah, as with G.U.+ this takes a few different turns (haven't read it so I can't really be sure)

.hack//Quantum - Canon (An OVA that takes place after the games.)
.hack//2024 - ?Canon? - A movie that we should be getting info. on soon enough, which appears to deal with the aftermath of the game. (Don't know much more than that, been avoiding LINK spoilers like the plague)


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Re: Canon and non canon

Postby Kuukai » Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:09 am

.hack//Link allows for Trilogy and a few other things to be a different kind of canon. They didn't "really" happen, but they still happened within the changing chaos of The World's time data. This is just one interpretation, of course, they don't say it outright, but it's really the only explanation for some conversations Pi had in Link and Trilogy.

Also, the G.U. novels are non-canon. 4koma might be canon if taken through a filter?

Really, "canon" in .hack is a fan-defined term that refers to everything that doesn't negate the rest of .hack. If a story has multiple, drastically different versions, then we try to pick the one that fits together with the rest of the series. Sometimes there are aspects of a non-canon work that might very well still be canon (like Kazumi in G.U.+), sometimes there are parts of "canon" works that we try to ignore because they can't be canon (the Tri-Edge battle in Roots, some stuff Reiko says in Quantum). It's an imperfect process because the creators don't always emphasize continuity the same way we do. Link solved a lot of the problems, answered a lot of the questions, and established a possible second class of canon like I said, piecing virtually everything together into an intricate glass castle (although this still can't make Aina Ovan's daughter). But Quantum proceeded to take a baseball bat to this by immediately contradicting the main plot of Link (but we're stuck with it--it's very hard to declare Quantum non-canon without something to take its place), and who knows what 2024 will do? (although it looks promising continuity-wise)
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Re: Canon and non canon

Postby JinnoftheDesert » Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:41 am

Thanks a lot you were both verry helpful and I might still get some of the non canon stuff if it looks good now that borders is closing down in takeing the opportunity to fil my .hack collection.

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Re: Canon and non canon

Postby (Phantom) Thief » Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:28 am

... Maybe Ovan could act as the legal guardian or the user data involved could be misinterpreted. Still I want to know what did Quantum explain for Link? I missed it. Also does Quantum Introduction have any roles?

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Re: Canon and non canon

Postby Kuukai » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:16 am

That's too much of a stretch based on what we've seen.

Everything Reiko said about Amagi, don't have the exact quote.
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Re: Canon and non canon

Postby mavrosheep » Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:42 am

do you know if the novels for .hack conglomerate are in english and if theynjust contain the storynin wordsnlike normal fiction books? or if it's written in first person point-of-view (haseo in this case)?

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Re: Canon and non canon

Postby (Phantom) Thief » Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:02 pm

.hack//CELL and .hack//G.U. are in English. CELL is written in Third-person. G.U. switches characters and is written First and Third-person while e verything beyond .hack//G.U. novel volume 4 are still in Japanese.

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Re: Canon and non canon

Postby mavrosheep » Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:33 am

wait, were the listed .hack series up there (canon and noncanon) about the manga or the novel? cuz i heard that G.U. novels are non canon somewhere

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Re: Canon and non canon

Postby (Phantom) Thief » Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:59 pm

mavrosheep wrote:wait, were the listed .hack series up there (canon and noncanon) about the manga or the novel? cuz i heard that G.U. novels are non canon somewhere


The title just above is for the manga G.U,+. To add each G.U. novels shared the same name as the game series. During the third season the series connect a bit more complicated corners with Link. Though her character just might not have known in Quantum Reiko incorrectly explained Amagi's reason for working with CC Corp and the purpose she used for creating Shamrock was a little loose however the third season regained double the momentum after .hack//The Movie. Meanwhile Guilty Dragon is using its own connected continuity. Project X Zone is just plain fun.

Timeline

.hack//Epitaph of Twilight
.hack//AI Buster
.hack//Intermezzo
.hack//SIGN
.hack//ZERO
.hack//Liminallity
.hack//(Infection - Mutation - Outbreak - Quarantine)
.hack//Another Birth
.hack//Unison
.hack//Legacy
/Project X Zone/
.hack//Legend of The Twilight Bracelet
[.hack//Chap Chop Case]
.hack//GnU
.hack//Alcor
.hack//Roots
.hack//CELL
.hack//G.U. (Rebirth - Resurrection - Redemption)
.hack//4koma: Peaco's Story
.hack//Returner
.hack//Link
.hack//Link: (Epitaph of Twilight - AI Buster - SIGN - Zero)
.hack//Link: (Infection - Mutation - Outbreak - Quarantine - XXXX)
.hack//Link: (Legend of the Twilight Bracelet - Chap Chup Case)
.hack//Link: (GnU- Alcor - CELL - Roots - G.U. - G.U.+ - G.U. Novel - Returner - G.U. Trilogy)
.hack//Link: (X'over - Unison - Twilight)
.hack//after 2021
.hack//Quantum I(Introduction)
.hack//Quantum Episode 1-3 [Quantum (Novel)]
.hack//Bullet
.hack//Beyond The World [Beyond The World: SORA]
.hack//Versus
.hack//Thanatos Report
Guilty Dragon

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Re: Canon and non canon

Postby mavrosheep » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:58 am

sorry, can you state the canonity for:

.hack//legacy
.hack//unison
.hack//GnU
.hack//bullet
.hack//beyond the world

that would be very helpful, and whats with the amount of different versions of .hack//link? what are those?

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Re: Canon and non canon

Postby Kuukai » Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:01 am

Those are all pretty much canon, and the canon version of Link is the game.
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Re: Canon and non canon

Postby mavrosheep » Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:37 am

Kuukai wrote:Those are all pretty much canon, and the canon version of Link is the game.


i mean these
hack//Link: (Epitaph of Twilight - AI Buster - SIGN - Zero)
.hack//Link: (Infection - Mutation - Outbreak - Quarantine - XXXX)
.hack//Link: (Legend of the Twilight Bracelet - Chap Chup Case)
.hack//Link: (GnU- Alcor - CELL - Roots - G.U. - G.U.+ - G.U. Novel - Returner - G.U. Trilogy)
.hack//Link: (X'over - Unison - Twilight)

what are they, as far as i know, link is only relased as a manga series and a psp game

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Re: Canon and non canon

Postby Kuukai » Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:42 am

The Link game is canon. Everything in it happens... but all of the chapters you mentioned happen in the Akashic Records in 2020, while Tokio is exploring, modifying, and restoring The World's time data. So 2020 Akashic Records ZERO is a slightly different story than 2010 actual ZERO, because The World's time data has been modified. It's still canon, in that it still happened in the Akashic Records in 2020, but ZERO the novel describes what originally happened in 2010. It's heavily rooted in the latter, and anything that doesn't contradict something is more likely than not to be based on the actual past.
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Re: Canon and non canon

Postby SCP-173 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:47 pm

What is canon and non canon

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Re: Canon and non canon

Postby (Phantom) Thief » Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:31 pm

SCP-173 wrote:What is canon and non canon


Here; the items in bold and black are canon, the titles surrounded by slashes are produced outside of the normal series, the items with Link occur in the Akashic Records and the pieces in brackets have additional parts that are included in the main story. Guilty Dragon is somewhere in between and the section in blue italics are non canon.

Timeline

.hack//Epitaph of Twilight
.hack//AI Buster
.hack//Intermezzo
.hack//SIGN
.hack//ZERO
.hack//Liminallity
.hack//(Infection - Mutation - Outbreak - Quarantine)
.hack//XXXX
.hack//Another Birth
.hack//Unison
.hack//Legacy

/Project X Zone/
.hack//Legend of The Twilight Bracelet
.hack//Legend of The Twilight Bracelet - Anime
[.hack//Chap Chop Case]
.hack//GnU
.hack//Alcor
.hack//Roots
.hack//CELL
.hack//G.U. (Rebirth - Resurrection - Redemption)
.hack//G.U.+ Manga
.hack//G.U. Novel
.hack//G.U. Trilogy Movie

.hack//4koma: Peaco's Story
.hack//Returner
.hack//Link
.hack//Link: (Epitaph of Twilight - AI Buster - SIGN - Zero)
.hack//Link: (Infection - Mutation - Outbreak - Quarantine - XXXX)
.hack//Link: (Legend of the Twilight Bracelet - Chap Chup Case)
.hack//Link: (GnU- Alcor - CELL - Roots - G.U. - G.U.+ - G.U. Novel - Returner - G.U. Trilogy)
.hack//Link: (X'over - Unison - Twilight)
.hack//LINK Twilight Knights
.hack//after 2021
.hack//Quantum I(Introduction)

.hack//Quantum Episode 1-3 [Quantum (Novel)]
.hack//Bullet
.hack//Beyond The World
[Beyond The World: SORA]
.hack//Versus
.hack//Thanatos Report

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Re: Canon and non canon

Postby SCP-173 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:34 pm

So basically canon is something related to the main storyline and non canon is something that is its own.

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Re: Canon and non canon

Postby (Phantom) Thief » Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:59 pm

Yes that is one way to explain it. Imagine that items in bold are from one universe while the items in blue or whatever else are from their own dimensions and are broken up and sometimes reintroduced into part of the main story.

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Re: Canon and non canon

Postby SCP-173 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:08 pm

Thank you so much.


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